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@Aegon: You are correct, since I read all the books back to back I am hazy what happens in one book or the other sometimes. But surely the Tv show writers could invent a battle. Riverrun has been MIA on the Tv show, so some action there might be insightful, ah but of course the budget might prevent that.

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Not that this means anything at all really but...... In the UK book 3 was already split . I know they wont stick particularly to that but I thought interesting to see where everyone was at the end of part one. Jon is heading back to the wall.(final chapter)
Bran was at the tower in the lake.Arya and Gendry part ways.Tyrion has welcomed the RV! Brienne has been left behind. Mel is sacrificing leeches .Edmure has agreed to the marriage! The Old bear is no more.... and Danny has just got her Army.


 Thanks so much for posting this, as a woman read the e-books which keeps ASOS as one unit (and is re-reading a 3rd time).

With King Robb, in view of the fact that the Crag has already been won, we can't see Robb fight there, and he's already married so one wedding is done. Robb will have to arrive at Riverrun and make battle plans from there. It would make sense to have Hoster's funeral fairly early on, so Edmure takes over as Lord and gets a bit "puffed up" with his own importance as Catelyn can only shake her head since she's still on thin ice after releasing Jamie. It may be that GoT will simplify the Edmure battles angle so that we see clearly how he botches the job, and that could take a few episodes where we see Robb on the move and Edmure at Riverrun, revealing his character flaws and ****iness. We will also need to see the conflict with the Freys and Karstarks, that could take a few episodes to develop. Then Catelyn may be sent off to make the new bargain with Walder Frey to keep her from sitting around doing nothing too long and give us another look at nasty old Walder. Then Edmure will have to agree, so there's a few episodes right there before Robb returns from the west with plunder and chastizes Edmure, which then makes him more amenable to marrying a Frey girl to help cement the North's loyalties to King Robb. IMO the RW will happen in ep8, with the PW in ep9 after the little s h i t Joffrey taunts Sansa with the death of her brother. 

With Bran just heading off "into the sunset" IMO S3 will show his adventures heading north, but slowly enough to have them meet the Reeds at some point (perhaps they'll adapt that cave story to have the Reeds take the place of "the possible Liddle" they encounter in a storm). Perhaps that will be in the episode GRRM will write, "Autumn Storms" which is ep7 I think? That means we have 6 episodes where it's established that Osha is bonding with Rickon and teaching him how to live off the land while providing for Bran and Hodor as well. It would seem important to a tv audience that this relationship is established before splitting the brothers up, Rickon has to trust Osha to leave his brother without a fight IMO. So that takes time to develop, and perhaps some more made-up events to reinforce our sense of Osha's love for the boys. It would be a great end of the season to end at Queen's Tower, only feet away from Jon Snow.

IMO, Mel sacrificing the leeches has to happen at the beginning as a foreshadowing to the events to come. Then we can see her continuing to weasel her way into Stannis' trust and her trying to get him to sacrifice his bastard nephew. This can be part of the exposition of Shireen and Edric and Queen Selyse, since they are going to be important in time. This could take several episodes, during which Davos is discovered and returns only to be jailed due to his anger with Mel. By the end of the season, he should be back out and Hand of the King learning to read (he'll read the raven note from the NW by the end of the season IMO).

This woman disagrees with those that think the weddings will take place next season. IMO the first will be Sansa & Tyrion, and that will happen quickly since Joffrey's already engaged to Margaery and Tywin wants to discourage Tyrion's whoring. So that will be in the 1st or 2nd episode IMO, and then all of KL will be prepping for J & M's big day, where we'll get intro to the Martells and other Tyrells.

IMO Dany will spend at least 1/2 of the season getting to Astapor (or whatever they're calling it since they could combine some of the city adventures), and the other 1/2 investigating the city and how she'll get her army. This includes meeting Whitebeard and Belwas about 1/2 way through the season, and striking her Grand Bargain with delivery of the goods and the army in the last episode. Agree with others that the "Mother" scenes will be powerful and great for a final episode.

The Greyjoys will have some adventures, with Theon getting some of his own back and Yara getting into some trouble of her own. Then Balon dies and all hell breaks loose on the Iron Islands, with the other Greyjoys getting introduced either toward the end of the season or the beginning of next. 

Jamie and Brienne have to meet the BC and Roose in time, perhaps it will follow the book split and the final episode will have Jaime turn back to save his new friend. That would be cool IMO. They could should be back at KL just after the PW so Jaime can be there for the mourning. That would be a good end of season for him IMO. Don't want to spill more here on that.

Littlefinger has to make his way to the Eyrie and back, waiting off shore during the PW so he can steal Sansa away during the merriments (that he may have something to do with the other things as well, it's certainly possible since LF DID meet with the Tyrells to arrange the marriage, maybe also helped the PW happen?). LF's return to the Eyrie with his natural daughter will be S4.

 

Arya and co will get caught by the BWB and Arya eventually will see that they're just as evil as the BC so try to make her escape in mid season, she has to get caught by the Hound before the RW so those scenes outside will happen in ep8 or ep9. It would be cool to end the season with her handing her coin to a Bravossi and sailing away from Westeros as the last scene, while Sansa is also boarding a ship and sailing away from Westeros at the same time, but for different reasons.

Jon Snow will have scaled the wall with the wildlings, but escape them at Queen's Tower and make his way back to the wall to inform his brothers by the last episode. Sam will be with the survivors at Craster's, then they'll spend the season making their way back to the wall and trying to recover their strength when Jon Snow comes back in time to fend off a small battle at the wall at the end with the wildlings that went over. This will be the end episode IMO, with "You know nothing Jon Snow" the last words of the season (wishing).

There are so many adventures that happen but depend on the RW and PW happening first, that this woman thinks some of the other stories will be simplified or delayed in order for S3 to be the most dramatic yet in human terms (fewer battles, many tragedies and plot altering events). 

Those are a woman's suspicions, we can all only guess right now!

 

 

 

 

 



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@MsHghar: from your mouth to the Gods ears, seems like a very solid prediction to me!

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Too many fricken great battle scenes omitted ( Oxcross and Whispering Wood Edmure's big stand at Riverun ).
To GoT credit they gave a view of Robb's clever plan over Tywin and the negotiation at the Twins. I just had
to settle for these and camp scenes with the infamous lady Talisa of Volantis ( not that I mislike her ).

Poor Edmure, it was a f**k up but I understood why he did it .

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Sers and Ladies, I lay at your feet a question I can't get out of my head.

Let's assume Coldhands makes it into S3 (probably last episode), though he can be moved to S4, it doesn't matter. What I keep asking myself is this:
Quite a lot of book readers are convinced he's Benjen. I used to think so to, at first. After reading some of the other theories and going over the books again, I'm now convinced he's not Benjen (Nevermind that, I can go over the 'evidence' for that some other time). But how would the show introduce him and go about his casting?

Let's say I'm wrong, Coldhands is Benjen - would they bring back Joseph Mawle to play him? Even with heavy make-up and a covered face, he'd still be present in the credits and that would spoil quite a huge deal of the mystery surrounding him. Would they cast someone else, only to reveal after R'hllor knows how many seasons that he is in fact Benjen? The casting of someone else would again spoil book-readers, because then the deniers of said theory will take it as confirmation that Coldhans is not, in fact, Benjen. Maybe I'm over-thinking this, the show obviously targets non-readers first so maybe this will not be a problem at all. Book readers will have a field day with this casting though, I know I would. 



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Macha I've been saying this all along and Aegon I think, the introduction of Coldhands... unless they hide his face and keep him hooded the whole time, will be a big reveal for bookies... In the same way , well not actually the same, but I was thinking about Whitebeard... how in the books it was a massive reveal and the show will not be ....Hmmm it's a quandary.

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I think Coldhands will be a hooded, spooky ranger. They can do a voice over and whoever he ends up being can reveal himself when the time comes around, I hope it's Benjen tho. I just want one Stark man to live dammit!

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Chilaaax, Benjen is alive and well and living in Paris. ;) No, seriously, I don't think he's Coldhands, but I'm sure he's alive somewhere, it wouldn't make any sense otherwise.

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Him, Rickon, Jaquen and Syrio show up at the end of book 6 going: "Hey guys! What did we miss?!?"

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Some people believe Coldhands maybe Bloodraven . I agree with Macha though, it's just too soon
to have BenJen Stark go through such a transformation. He might end up a speciel character though,
GRRM loves to push the limits of our angst and expectations. If not Bloodraven it has to be a former
Brother from the Wall. There's much speculation there.

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I adhere to the Coldhands = The Night's King theory, but I'm going to elaborate on that tomorrow. I'll just leave you all here in suspense 'till then.smile



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MrsHghar wrote:
YvyB wrote:

Not that this means anything at all really but...... In the UK book 3 was already split . I know they wont stick particularly to that but I thought interesting to see where everyone was at the end of part one. Jon is heading back to the wall.(final chapter)
Bran was at the tower in the lake.Arya and Gendry part ways.Tyrion has welcomed the RV! Brienne has been left behind. Mel is sacrificing leeches .Edmure has agreed to the marriage! The Old bear is no more.... and Danny has just got her Army.


 Thanks so much for posting this, as a woman read the e-books which keeps ASOS as one unit (and is re-reading a 3rd time).

Sorry, I was in my cups last night and didn't read far enough up the thread. You're welcome and the reason I put it on was so someone like yourself could do an excellent job of speculating.. so , thank you :)


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I'm thinking that if Coldhans is Benjen then he will just not be credited. Remember what they did with prof Moriarty in the first Sherlock Holmes with many people speculating Brad Pitt was his voice but with no mention of it in the credits. Just leave the role uncredited,it's not unheard of.

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Aegon the Conqueror wrote:

I'm thinking that if Coldhans is Benjen then he will just not be credited. Remember what they did with prof Moriarty in the first Sherlock Holmes with many people speculating Brad Pitt was his voice but with no mention of it in the credits. Just leave the role uncredited,it's not unheard of.


 Ah yes, since we're discussing the TV adaptation this may be so. The ASOIAF debate will continue as long as 

 GRRM requires it to be.



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I'm just glad I was too young too read GoT when it came out. One poor guy stated that it's almost been 20 bloody years and his still waiting to find out what happened to Benjen.

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I think if Coldhands were Benjen then Bran would know. We've got two more books to find out what happened to Benjen. (Warg anyone?)

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YvyB wrote:
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Not that this means anything at all really but...... In the UK book 3 was already split . I know they wont stick particularly to that but I thought interesting to see where everyone was at the end of part one. Jon is heading back to the wall.(final chapter)
Bran was at the tower in the lake.Arya and Gendry part ways.Tyrion has welcomed the RV! Brienne has been left behind. Mel is sacrificing leeches .Edmure has agreed to the marriage! The Old bear is no more.... and Danny has just got her Army.


 Thanks so much for posting this, as a woman read the e-books which keeps ASOS as one unit (and is re-reading a 3rd time).

Sorry, I was in my cups last night and didn't read far enough up the thread. You're welcome and the reason I put it on was so someone like yourself could do an excellent job of speculating.. so , thank you :)

 A woman is happy to have entertained you with S3 speculation, and really grateful that you posted how the split happened in the UK books! Counting the days!



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Also, a woman thinks Benjen COULD BE Coldhands, but since they've implied that Bran and Rickon didn't recognize him, doesn't that weigh AGAINST it being Benjen? Wouldn't Bran and Rickon have recognized him if it was Benjen in some sort of zombie/almost wight state? Can't remember if they ever saw his face...daggone it. Still, it's pretty genius of GRRM to put so many Easter egg type character mysteries in the series, right? Love that.

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I for one am waiting with baited breath to see the BWOB and Beric Dondarian.


 For sure! But because I'm dying to see where they're going with Thoros!


 Yes! Am excited to see what they will do with the character HBO is using for Thoros.  He looks how I imagined him, oddly.



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I think Coldhands will be a hooded, spooky ranger. They can do a voice over and whoever he ends up being can reveal himself when the time comes around, I hope it's Benjen tho. I just want one Stark man to live dammit!


 Yes, again, I felt the same.  Please, please let it be Benjen, for the love of the Godswood.



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Ser Yellow Dog, I take it you are of House Lannister?


I'm actually a Stark partisan.  All except Sansa.  Don't get me started on her! And including Sam, whom I consider an honorary Stark as Jon's bro - and better half. 

Tyrion is the only Lannister I can stand, and I like him better the worse the other Lannisters treat him.

 



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Yellow Dog wrote:
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Ser Yellow Dog, I take it you are of House Lannister?


I'm actually a Stark partisan.  All except Sansa.  Don't get me started on her! And including Sam, whom I consider an honorary Stark as Jon's bro - and better half. 

Tyrion is the only Lannister I can stand, and I like him better the worse the other Lannisters treat him.

 


 Sansa is a difficult one to defend.  I feel like in the GOT world, you are a child or an adult - no teenagers.  There is no time to grow up.  In SOS she's 13, that's awful young to be dealing with what she has to.  I think she's much more Tully than Stark.



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She's always been more Stark than Tully, in appearance as well as demeanor. Can't see Sansa saying Winter is COming.
BTW do you guys think they will have the |"pledge your allegiance" promotional campaign they had last year. Loved the Stark Banner on my FB page.

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Aegon the Conqueror wrote:

She's always been more Stark than Tully, in appearance as well as demeanor. Can't see Sansa saying Winter is COming.
BTW do you guys think they will have the |"pledge your allegiance" promotional campaign they had last year. Loved the Stark Banner on my FB page.


 Would your grace wish to re-word? I did enjoy reading it thoughbiggrin



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More Tully than Stark, stupid me.

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Bit late to the party, but my two cents for the Battle of the Wall are that the first attack by the raiders will be shot in a more Blackwater style, and that's where most of the action is. After that, we'll simply see from atop the wall what's going on below, and have some very long-distance shots of Mammoths and Giants and scores of wildings. When it's that far away, and there aren't any physics simulations or fluid dynamics to deal with like a Hollywood battle scene, it should come in a lot cheaper. They can go ahead and show giants and mammoths in much greater detail while Jon is riding with them throughout season 3, so it's not like we'd never get to see them.

I hate to say it, but I don't think we'll get a battle in the Tunnel. :P

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MrsHghar wrote:

Also, a woman thinks Benjen COULD BE Coldhands, but since they've implied that Bran and Rickon didn't recognize him, doesn't that weigh AGAINST it being Benjen? Wouldn't Bran and Rickon have recognized him if it was Benjen in some sort of zombie/almost wight state? Can't remember if they ever saw his face...daggone it. Still, it's pretty genius of GRRM to put so many Easter egg type character mysteries in the series, right? Love that.


 It does go agains him being Benjen, from what I remember he wears a scarf and he's always hooded, however one might expect for Bran to recognize his uncle's voice. And why would Benjen keep him in the dark? It doesn't make sense. I guess one could argue Bloodraven is controlling Coldhands, and I think that might be true to a certain degree, but Coldhands doesn't appear to be a wight, in fact he seems fully conscious. And would Benjen know the secret passage under the Nightfort? That place was abandoned a long time ago (wiki says 200 years). And why would Coldhands be unable to pass through the Black Gate, if Sam can? Just because he's dead? We already knew that, and GRRM gave no explanation as to why he wasn't allowed. Who would have known the Nightfort so well yet be banned from passing South of the wall through the Black gate, and was killed a long time ago? Answer - the Night's King (GRRM even writes in one of Bran's chapters that his very name was forbidden). But have no fears, Benjen has to be alive. If he was dead, GRRM would have used his death somehow, but up to this point it serves no purpose, if you think about it. Also, there were several prophetic dreams in which the dead of next-to-be-dead Starks appear, and he wasn't among them. 



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Andrew wrote:

Bit late to the party, but my two cents for the Battle of the Wall are that the first attack by the raiders will be shot in a more Blackwater style, and that's where most of the action is. After that, we'll simply see from atop the wall what's going on below, and have some very long-distance shots of Mammoths and Giants and scores of wildings. When it's that far away, and there aren't any physics simulations or fluid dynamics to deal with like a Hollywood battle scene, it should come in a lot cheaper. They can go ahead and show giants and mammoths in much greater detail while Jon is riding with them throughout season 3, so it's not like we'd never get to see them.

I hate to say it, but I don't think we'll get a battle in the Tunnel. :P


 Agreed completely simply from a filming logistics point of view;  The throng can be easily CGI from that altitude leaving the actual film set to the defenders atop the wall



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 Sansa is a difficult one to defend.  I feel like in the GOT world, you are a child or an adult - no teenagers.  There is no time to grow up.  In SOS she's 13, that's awful young to be dealing with what she has to.  I think she's much more Tully than Stark.



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 Blackfish Tully Libel!    She is certainly far more likable and admirable in the show than in the books, but I will never forgive her betraying Ned to Cersei, and I am already hating her more in anticipation of her rejecting Tyrion.

I shouldn't mind - he's far too good for her.    But seven hells reading those Tyrion chapters was hard.



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Lyanna Stark wrote:
I feel like in the GOT world, you are a child or an adult - no teenagers.  There is no time to grow up. 

 Very wise words, my lady Lyanna.



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 Sansa is a difficult one to defend.  I feel like in the GOT world, you are a child or an adult - no teenagers.  There is no time to grow up.  In SOS she's 13, that's awful young to be dealing with what she has to.  I think she's much more Tully than Stark.



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 Blackfish Tully Libel!    She is certainly far more likable and admirable in the show than in the books, but I will never forgive her betraying Ned to Cersei, and I am already hating her more in anticipation of her rejecting Tyrion.

I shouldn't mind - he's far too good for her.    But seven hells reading those Tyrion chapters was hard.


 I have defended her in order to be aware of her attributes as well as her flaws , but yes I have trouble at times

 with Sansa AND LYSA !!!!  You don't love the imp ? What about that Pay Phone Parody ?



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 Blackfish Tully Libel!    She is certainly far more likable and admirable in the show than in the books, but I will never forgive her betraying Ned to Cersei, and I am already hating her more in anticipation of her rejecting Tyrion.

I shouldn't mind - he's far too good for her.    But seven hells reading those Tyrion chapters was hard.


 I have defended her in order to be aware of her attributes as well as her flaws , but yes I have trouble at times

 with Sansa AND LYSA !!!!  You don't love the imp ? What about that Pay Phone Parody ?


I DO love the imp, which is why I find Sansa's treatment of him in ASOS so hard to take, and why I found his ASOS chapters so difficult to read. 

Don't know the pay phone parody, but after a hard day, nothing gets me laughing nonstop like the joffrey slap loop.



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i too would've loved to see robb in action but sadly those days are all gone.



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 I'm just going to go in a corner and cry now.  I know it's true, just doesn't make it easier to take. cry.gif



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Too many fricken great battle scenes omitted ( Oxcross and Whispering Wood Edmure's big stand at Riverun ).
To GoT credit they gave a view of Robb's clever plan over Tywin and the negotiation at the Twins. I just had
to settle for these and camp scenes with the infamous lady Talisa of Volantis ( not that I mislike her ).

Poor Edmure, it was a f**k up but I understood why he did it .


 I was wondering how they are going to address Edmure's battle in Season 3, if at all.  I feel like they need to regarding the RW, it's an important connection.



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Yellow Dog wrote:
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 Sansa is a difficult one to defend.  I feel like in the GOT world, you are a child or an adult - no teenagers.  There is no time to grow up.  In SOS she's 13, that's awful young to be dealing with what she has to.  I think she's much more Tully than Stark.



-- Edited by Lyanna Stark on Monday 27th of August 2012 10:17:56 AM


 Blackfish Tully Libel!    She is certainly far more likable and admirable in the show than in the books, but I will never forgive her betraying Ned to Cersei, and I am already hating her more in anticipation of her rejecting Tyrion.

I shouldn't mind - he's far too good for her.    But seven hells reading those Tyrion chapters was hard.


 I feel the same way about those "Tyrion chapters".  I also agree, she betrayed her dad.  Does she deserve his kindness, nope.  However, I'm going to fall back on my "no teenagers in GOT theory".  She has the "princess mode" going, she wants Ser Loras or similar to him, even wanted Joffery for a long time after knowing he is a shit, i.e. seven hells from Arya, which is still funny! Again, not an excuse, just a kid.



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So you guys probably know this, but I am now convinced Balon is killed by Jaqen H'ghar. I read the BWB chapter where they talk to the strange old woman who has dreams. One of her dreams was of a man without a face shoving a king a from a bridge. MEthins Jaqen did it because he knew who Arya was and what Balon was doing to her brother's kingdom. Wonder if they will show that on screen.

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Hmm, I think not. There are other faceless men besides Jaqen, and the text makes it pretty obvious this one was hired by Euron (the man without a face had a crow sitting on his shoulder). Plus, the Kindly man makes it very clear later on that Faceless Men do not get emotionally involved in their killings.

Not to mention Jaqen is most likely the one that kills Pate in the AFfC prologue, and takes his identity afterwards. 



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I could not figure out why a crow was sitting on Balon's shoulder, just a badly written sentence I guess. That makes more sense.
I remember the Jaqen Pate killing, but I still don't have the foggiest clue why Jaqen did it.

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Going slightly off-topic here:
Well, "Pate" was also present in Sam's last chapter in AFfC in the Citadel, assisting archmaester Marwyn. My guess is that Jaqen has taken his place because he needs access to something found in the Citadel (in the prologue the alchemist that kills Pate was looking for a certain key if I remember correctly), but from there on your guess is as good as mine. I also imagine this was supposed to be his original mission, before getting sidetracked in King's Landing and so on. It will be interesting to find out what he's after in the Citadel, because if he only needed to assassinate someone, why is he taking so long to do it?



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That's what I mean, have no idea what he is doing there.
On that note, I've always wondered what did he do that was so terrible that he was locked up with Rorge and Biter, and besides how the hell did he get caught doing it?

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That's what I mean, have no idea what he is doing there.
On that note, I've always wondered what did he do that was so terrible that he was locked up with Rorge and Biter, and besides how the hell did he get caught doing it?


 I've always wondered that. I assume the only way they've put Jaqen in a cell is if he wanted to be there, but why? What was he after? And why did he hang around Harrenhall for so long?



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Espescially if he doesn't do what he does out of emotion. And somehow I can't see the Starks being friends with Faceless Men. Maybe he and Syrio were tight.

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I've always thought he was Syrio , we never herd him die , he could of been arrested instead. put in celler, quick change of face, suddenly off to the wall...

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good theory but why would a Faceless man train a lord's daughter? And where would NEd get the money to do that?

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Macha wrote:

Going slightly off-topic here:
Well, "Pate" was also present in Sam's last chapter in AFfC in the Citadel, assisting archmaester Marwyn. My guess is that Jaqen has taken his place because he needs access to something found in the Citadel (in the prologue the alchemist that kills Pate was looking for a certain key if I remember correctly), but from there on your guess is as good as mine. I also imagine this was supposed to be his original mission, before getting sidetracked in King's Landing and so on. It will be interesting to find out what he's after in the Citadel, because if he only needed to assassinate someone, why is he taking so long to do it?



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          I am so enjoying this exchange between you and Aegon ( I'm being enlightened aww ) and I want to read more

          but I do not wish to be censored. Is it wrong to veer off course when a subject is referenced elsewhere ? I do

          not see the harm if it only last through a couple of entries. Beyond that you may have to hold the thoght and

          regurgitate hopefully in another topic or thread. blankstare



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Macha wrote:

Hmm, I think not. There are other faceless men besides Jaqen, and the text makes it pretty obvious this one was hired by Euron (the man without a face had a crow sitting on his shoulder). Plus, the Kindly man makes it very clear later on that Faceless Men do not get emotionally involved in their killings.

Not to mention Jaqen is most likely the one that kills Pate in the AFfC prologue, and takes his identity afterwards. 



-- Edited by Macha on Wednesday 29th of August 2012 09:30:07 AM


          If I had your introspection of these events I would begin another topic or thresd on this subject. I hate to put you  

          on the spot but could you thinlk about it and start one ? Your thoughts are very insightful even though we all read  

           the same books ( and only when you find an appropriate time to ). I'm sure we all will benefit from more

           perspectives. I'm still trying to recall seeing Theon on GoT with shocking blonde hair blankstare.  Pretty Please ?



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Okay, I've read up through Catelyn I in ASOS. I have to wonder if they've completely decided not to cast Lord Hoster or if the actor will be in for a very short role and they haven't bothered telling us who he is, because the "Tansy" conversation seems particularly important; notably later on with Lysa and Littlefinger; although that won't be taking place in Season 3, I think.

They obviously have a Riverrun set. Maybe we will see Hoster, albeit briefly.

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Cary - I guess they could always have Catelyn recollect her last moments with her father while talking to another character (Edmure, The Blackfish), and throwing in some exposition regarding the Tullys while they're at it. We haven't heard anything of Lord Hoster's casting, so I imagine he'll get the Jon Arryn treatment.



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Ok Macha you decide what to do with the conversation and then we continue it once there.

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